The imported jap-spec GJ GSR 1984 (MOVED BACK!)

[Lowmion]

then swing me the green galant and we have a deal

compo could pretty much pay it.... why not exaggerate a bit or something

non smoker and was hazard to your health hahaha

I dont smoke, and all I ever wanted and paid for is my car to be fixed.


I never expected this, but again I'll be "nice" and refrain.........

So... I NEVER got to cruise side by side with Tufsig.

GSR GK - GSR GJ

And thats almost as annoying as being lied to by my mechanic

[Cottees]

He was the last one that was working on it before it caught fire, and if you did no work to it yourself, or had anyone else touch the engine bay, then it obviously is something he did. It's not like your car was on fire, or caught fire, before Flav worked on it. I can see now that even before you get some kind of compensation from him, he'll start hurting cause no one will want him touching their cars.

[Lowmion]

He was the last one that was working on it before it caught fire, and if you did no work to it yourself, or had anyone else touch the engine bay, then it obviously is something he did. It's not like your car was on fire, or caught fire, before Flav worked on it. I can see now that even before you get some kind of compensation from him, he'll start hurting cause no one will want him touching their cars.

Maybe - but he's the "Guru" and I'm sure this can be "explained", his idea of compensation is an insurance scam.

I'm not interested.

And this is NOT going to be pretty - I apologise to all those that kiss his feet - but this is wrong!

[Lowmion]

What he's saying is it's not his fault the thing caught fire - and that there-for he's not obligated to repair it.

For you it would be easier to just transfer your Tufsig motor into it (complete with loom), as then the guards and bonnet could be transferrred.

I'm NOT giving this guy any more money - but I'll help you have what I wanted in the first place...

I'm broke 10k spent, everything replaced new, all you need to do is replace firewall forwards.

[Cottees]

The IRS should mount to the Aus-Spec Sigma. You might need to weld in rear strut towers for the rear shockers. But, wrecking the car isn't the answer. Flav fixing it is. If you were wrecking it, I'd like the wheels, but you can't wreck it! It is such an awesome car!

[Lowmion]

The IRS should mount to the Aus-Spec Sigma. You might need to weld in rear strut towers for the rear shockers. But, wrecking the car isn't the answer. Flav fixing it is. If you were wrecking it, I'd like the wheels, but you can't wreck it! It is such an awesome car!

I've spent everything I own on this car.

It was a carefully planned exercise, except that new things kept cropping up.

I'm a simple man - just ask Luke

The wheels are Simmon's with pro comp medium compound racing tyres on them, low profile.

They'll fit any Galant.

Including GC75's

[Cottees]

Simmons B45s I think. Good luck with what ever you decide to do though.

[Lowmion]

The problem with fighting this - is that according to Flav - he's not liable...........


Flavio Siblio
Zoom Tuning Australia
2 Ada Street
Doncaster 3108

Cell 0438 838 722
Fax 03 98423477





Grrrrr ..............

[Cottees]

If it was a fuel leak which was ignited by an electrical fault, it is still his fault since he would have done the fuel lines. I am not 100% sure, but I don't think a faulty relay would do that much damage. But yeah, legal way is the best way. Even though it wouldn't be as satisfying, it'll still be a result.

[Lowmion]

ugly, not good, but if u sell, how much we talking, i might be interested, pm me thanks, and if u want some help to investigate what caused it, i can come and have a look. cheers

Dude !

Thankyou - are you free tomorrow ? I'll pay for your day - as if he (Flav) is right it'll stop a number of things, and yes................

[Lowmion]

cool

[Lowmion]

[7/6/2009 4:06:51 PM] *** Call to zoomtuning, duration 04:12. ***
[7/6/2009 4:11:19 PM] *** Call ended ***
[7/6/2009 10:28:47 PM] Lowmion: Superscan811 wrote:
By the looks of the burn marks on the bonnet and the melted brake reservoir, I would be inclined to believe a fuel line wasn't clamped on properly.

Petrol sprayed all round the engine bay and was ignited by the turbo, which in turn lit everything up.

Just an educated guess.

Cheers.
[7/6/2009 10:29:50 PM] *** Call to zoomtuning, no answer. ***
[7/6/2009 10:29:56 PM] *** Call ended ***
[7/6/2009 10:33:10 PM] Lowmion: http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.p ... 8&start=30
[12:46:53 AM] zoomtuning: pretty dumb educated guess..as always with these forum people, everyone wants to be an expert an no one is
[12:47:24 AM] zoomtuning: drove in with a bunch of pple and no one wanted to drive out, they all chicken we gonna get busted
[12:47:52 AM] zoomtuning: cars still there, but i closed it up better and put a sign on it..'under video surveilance'
[12:49:15 AM] Lowmion: what in te heck are you writing?
[12:49:22 AM] zoomtuning: im in ballarat tomorrow so wont be avail. coz of my bub till saturday..
[12:49:32 AM] Lowmion: sheez took long enogh
[12:49:48 AM] zoomtuning: yer
[12:49:49 AM] Lowmion: so my car is gonna sit there?
[12:50:12 AM] zoomtuning: well, no one wanted to fkn help me out
[12:50:20 AM] zoomtuning: get a towie i guess,
[12:50:30 AM] zoomtuning: but i gotta do the kids thing 2mo
[12:51:06 AM] Lowmion: hmm
[12:51:37 AM] Lowmion: i can tell you this with confidence
[12:51:55 AM] Lowmion: I didnt give you 4k to provide me with a fireball
[12:52:21 AM] Lowmion: and if my car goes "walk about" we're going to have "issues"
[12:52:46 AM] Lowmion: and if you tink 'm kidding
[12:52:57 AM] Lowmion: call me
[12:53:03 AM] Lowmion:
[12:54:56 AM] zoomtuning: if u think i made your car a fireball after 20 + years with mitsubishi we already have an issue and u need a lawyer and u can do all this shit yourself.
[12:57:55 AM] Lowmion: you weren't in it, and you didnt pay some one 4k to fix it, ok you've done mates rates but dude if I was at 100kmph when that happened I wwouldn't be here bitching
[12:58:26 AM] Lowmion: and no relay is going to cause that kinda damage
[12:59:00 AM] zoomtuning: all respect given, if u knew what a fkn relay did u wouldnt say that..
[12:59:08 AM] Lowmion: ok
[12:59:14 AM] Lowmion: I'm not a mechani
[12:59:17 AM] Lowmion: c
[12:59:26 AM] Lowmion: I'm sorry for the impolief insult
[12:59:33 AM] zoomtuning: the mission of a relay is to turn on a voltage that can not be handled through a normal switch
[12:59:34 AM] Lowmion: but fuck
[12:59:44 AM] zoomtuning: dnt even try..
[12:59:48 AM] Lowmion: you re-wired it
[12:59:51 AM] zoomtuning: i luv an argument
[12:59:54 AM] Lowmion: ok
[12:59:56 AM] Lowmion: lol
[1:00:04 AM] zoomtuning: i didnt do F1 to come back and start fires
[1:00:07 AM] Lowmion: and you know the engine
[1:00:22 AM] Lowmion: F! and start fires?
[1:00:34 AM] zoomtuning: if u want my help im happy to help u...but i KNOW MY WORK did not start this shit
[1:00:45 AM] Lowmion: ok
[1:01:06 AM] zoomtuning: so...fkn forget trying to blame, or get dumb fuk opinions or whatever and think forward
[1:01:38 AM] zoomtuning: but i got kids to deal with too...and thats pretty much priority for next few days
[1:01:43 AM] Lowmion: so you're saying that there's no way a fuel hose came loose and sprayed the turbo which after being hot from the highway couldnt have started the fire?
[1:02:08 AM] Lowmion: all i care about is my car
[1:02:23 AM] Lowmion: thats my selfish self
[1:02:35 AM] Lowmion: which is why I spent te money
[1:02:52 AM] Lowmion: no insult to you
[1:03:00 AM] Lowmion: thats a killer motor
[1:03:10 AM] Lowmion: it was awseome
[1:03:29 AM] Lowmion: but you werent next to me
[1:03:35 AM] Lowmion: when it all went bad
[1:03:46 AM] Lowmion: I dont lie
[1:04:10 AM] Lowmion: and I'm not sure what to do
[1:05:52 AM] Lowmion: al I know is that it was re-wired and re-built, and I re-acquainted myself with the fire brigrade on hoddle street

[GC75]

done some research for ya...


Obligations of repairer

A motor vehicle repairer has a responsibility, as with any other trade to ensure that the work carried out is done in a ‘workmanship like manner’. This is a responsibility brought under the Fair Trading legislation, other similar legislation, and common law.

If a part fitted by a workshop is defective, substandard or unfit for its intended purpose, and if it is the ‘cause’ of an accident, a customer (but not another person such as a passenger, pedestrian or subsequent owner of a vehicle) can bring a contractual claim against the workshop under section 74 of the Trade Practices Act 1974.

A claim could also be brought under section 74 if the workshop did not exercise due care and skill in carrying out repairs or testing.

Section 74 implies a non-excludable warranty into contracts for the supply of services by workshops to customers:

* that services will be carried out with due care and skill and
* that any components supplied in connection with those services will be reasonably fit for the purpose for which they are supplied.

Similar warranties are implied by common law into contracts for the supply of services by workshops.

For example, if a customer could establish that a workshop did not exercise due care and skill in fitting a disc brake calliper, or if the customer could establish that a disc brake rotor fitted by the workshop was below recommended minimum operating thickness, the workshop could be held liable to the customer under section 74 or under common law.


Loss/damage to vehicle

A dealer or repairer may be liable for loss or damage when this occurs while the vehicle is in the dealer’s or repairer’s, or a sublet repairer’s custody waiting for repairs under warranty.

If you believe that the repairer has acted in a dishonest or fraudulent manner you should report it to Fair Trading, who will investigate your complaint.


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Pretty sure we have worked out he didnt attend something or rather properly..

therefore he is infact liable.

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Consu ... to_vehicle

[GC75]

If he assumes it was a relay why didn't he replace it?

I'm sure they don't cost to much

[Cottees]

I am no expert, but yes, Relays do deal with high voltages. if there was a short in the relay, it might melt the relay, melt the relay holder, melt things around it, but it wouldn't be enough to melt things on the other side of the engine bay. The only way to get that kind of heat and fire damage to the entire engine bay is to have something flammable catch alight. In the engine bay, that would be petrol or oil. A properly set up engine bay is set up to keep anything flammable from getting out, and causing a fire like this.

[Lowmion]

I've also checked all that out, and yes you're correct.

But it'll take 6 months for them to query it, and by then the rego has run out.

In that time I've still not got my car, and have had to store what's left of it.


He's very lucky I was in it alone, as if those I love had been in it to share the experience.........

[Lowmion]

Good night my friends

Thankyou for your support

I've got to reign in my anger.

I must admit I never saw this coming, or thought that I'ld be betrayed in such a manner.

Yours

MAtt

[GC75]

The most common causes of
fires are:
• Arcs on the starter (or battery
cables), the alternator cable
or the positive feed wire into
the cabin.
• Flammable material resting
against the turbo charger
or the exhaust.
• Rubs on the fuel lines that result
in leaks and then a fuel mist
in the engine compartment.
• Turbo charger failures that
cause excessive temperatures
in the exhaust.
• Leakage of hot gases from
the exhaust.
• Electrical arcs at terminals or
connectors resulting from hot
terminals that cause insulation
to melt and catch fire.
• Addition of heavy add-on loads
onto a circuit not intended for
it. If the fuse rating is increased,
the wiring may not be adequately
protected.
• Tyres catching fire because
they are flat or poorly inflated
or rubbing on hard surfaces.
• Wheel bearing failures resulting
in bearing grease catching fire.
Sometimes overheated brakes
do the same.
• Road debris that catches under
vehicles and is combustible.

----

Occasionally starter relays weld
on due to high inrush currents.
If the relay contacts weld together,
the starter motor will run continuously
and overheat, potentially leading to fire.

Thats pretty much the only way a relay can start a fire...

[Cottees]

What you said isn't that harsh. If you paid any other business for a service that they completed unsatisfactorily, they would have to remedy it no matter what was happening in there personal life, so why shouldn't they?

[GC75]

The starter motor cables and wiring inside the battery box should always be scrutinized for signs of arc damage.
Evidence that steel parts have been exceedingly hot (causing bluing and/or melting) often indicates the site of a short-circuit.

Although in your case id say it was the fuel lines on due to the amount of heat that was issued on that side of the engine bay.

indeed id be taking this to court!

[GC75]

What you said isn't that harsh. If you paid any other business for a service that they completed unsatisfactorily, they would have to remedy it no matter what was happening in there personal life, so why shouldn't they?

They are trying to get sympathy or a reason for him to lay off the case... therefore somewhat shows his guilty and has to use his kids to throw off the matter, because he himself knows his in the shit.

Everyone knows family matters really dont come into place when work is involved.. work is money... if everyone brought there personal life into shit nothing would work.. its just an excuse or a throw off... which i seem to know all to well..

Pretty much dealt with people that lied/manipulated/connived my whole teens years which also involved money. Even i know when money is involved no one gives a stuff.

[SpEc_OpS]

Mate i dont know you from a bar of soap but i truly feel your pain that is unbelievable people go to a well known mechanic for their quality workmanship but this looks far from that if i was the owner of zoom tuning id be cutting my losses and making this right. Reputation is what makes or breaks you in the automotive industry and zoom tunings future is not looking to good best of luck with the restoration of a truly beautiful car.

Peace SpEc_OpS

[Lowmion]

The level of damage to the engine bay is unreal, I've not yet moved the car - still in a "holding pattern" with where to move it to.

Waiting on lawyers to return my calls.

And waiting to hear from a gent that does forensic fire analysis on motor cars, for litigation etc.

At least I'm no longer shaking.

[DanTurboLancer]

Hey man, thats a damn shame!!!!

Ok If i may can i make some suggestions.

Great to hear you are seeking legal advice!!

I was going to suggest you get it to a NRMA accessor and get them to see if they can pin point the start point, but sounds like you are already on it!

Did you get any form of Receipt, or written discription of the work he carried out from this guy that you could use as proof that he has done the work?
It would be good for Legals.



Man Next big suggestion,
This is a forum,
Anyone can access it!

I would highly recommend that You remove all photos and questions, and politely PM and ask that all Comments and statements in regard to your Fuel tank problems.
Be permanently removed!!!!!!

He or an accociate of his could access this site, and copy this and use it as evidence in court against you!!!



I would also strongly advise you remove any and all comments RE any personal threats toward him! for the same reasons.



Man I have never heard of a Relay shorting so badly that is actually caused a fire of any desciption, but i would be calling some Older Auto Electricians that have been around along time!
and worked on Older models of all descriptions.


A relay is simply a way to use a small amount of current, to control a larger amount of current.

As you activate a switch, a small amount of current is sent throught the switch to the relay, where a coil creates a small magnetic current.
This pulls an internal Gate closed within the Relay.
This Enables a Larger current to flow.

All that can happen would be a short, then the relay stops working!
If the relay doesnt work, then there is no power getting through it.


But as i said Older Lecos will be your best source of knowledge, and past experiences!!!





Be careful destroying him if it turns out he wasnt at fault!
Man you may not have kids, but Family does have to come first for anyone.
Its a shame what has happened, And i totally understand how pissed off you were!!
But i dont think anyone was going to bother stealing it in its present condition ;)


I hope you get to the bottom of it and gain some sort of compensation

All the best
D

[GC75]

good advice

[Lowmion]

Fair advice

I've not done anything illegal yet...

I have no problems with people reading how I feel

If you know of an indictable fire expert, please post the details

The only thing that my previous posts could get me in trouble for is if he ends up dead.

And so far all I've done is try to call him - bearing in mind he's in ballaratt with his kids.

And he's the honest type right ?

[8:21:43 PM] *** Call ended ***
[8:23:03 PM] Lowmion: WE NEED TO TALK, i apologise for previous drunk shit, I need to know what to do
[8:23:10 PM] *** Call to zoomtuning, no answer. ***
[8:23:21 PM] *** Call ended ***
[8:29:38 PM] Lowmion: Hi
[8:30:23 PM] Lowmion: the car will be deliverd to your place tomorrow
[8:30:44 PM] Lowmion: are you going to talk to me?
[8:31:16 PM] *** Call to zoomtuning, no answer. ***
[8:31:23 PM] *** Call ended ***
[8:31:44 PM] Lowmion: so that's a NO ?
[8:32:10 PM] Lowmion: I'll have to come visit in person then
[8:32:23 PM] Lowmion: as I need to talk to you
[8:32:46 PM] Lowmion: your choice - your rules
[8:33:29 PM] Lowmion: easier to guide me through this via remote
[8:34:14 PM] Lowmion: going to call again via skype on elast time
[8:34:33 PM] Lowmion: 3
[8:34:34 PM] Lowmion: 2
[8:34:35 PM] Lowmion: 1
[8:34:37 PM] *** Call to zoomtuning, no answer. ***
[8:34:44 PM] *** Call ended ***
[8:34:54 PM] Lowmion: ok
[8:36:08 PM] Lowmion: Are yu sure you want to go doen this path?
[8:36:18 PM] Lowmion: *down
[8:37:03 PM] Lowmion: My forensic fire analyst is a gent called John Marshal
[8:37:15 PM] Lowmion: yes forensic
[8:37:40 PM] Lowmion: he tells me different to what you said
[8:38:24 PM] Lowmion: you used to be a fence guy?
[8:38:26 PM] Lowmion: ACCURATE FENCES & GATES
[8:39:34 PM] Lowmion: the F1 stuff is cool, and you built a awseome motor, but I'm now being forced to make a chice
[8:39:39 PM] Lowmion: choice
[8:39:58 PM] Lowmion: dont leave me here please
[8:41:56 PM] Lowmion: what the hell do I do with a ruined car?
[8:42:14 PM] Lowmion: enjoy the fact I'm stil alsivve?
[8:42:18 PM] Lowmion: alive
[8:43:04 PM] Lowmion: I need clarification from you as to what you're willing to accept as your liability
[8:43:31 PM] Lowmion: ABN:68 200 422 507

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ACCURATE FENCES & GATES
[8:45:18 PM] Lowmion: my home phone number is 0390159619, you'll hear the "holistic" answering service, or 0422 984 454 at any time
[8:45:39 PM] Lowmion: Like I said we need to talk
[8:46:14 PM] Lowmion: I need to know whether you're going to assist me or go against me
[8:47:54 PM] Lowmion: you have untill 9pm Thurs 9th July 2009 to respond.


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If any of you know this gent - I advise you get him to call me, and not call my bluff !!

I care not any more what law officials read on this site

I'm very upset at being left in the dark, and the rest you'll read tomorrow

I DON'T have kids, or anyone else to be afraid of their safety.

Ciao

[Lowmion]

You're right - I'm past caring

[7/6/2009 6:06:04 PM] Lowmion: My friends say that your plan would work, that I should offer you 3 out of the 15k for your troubles, that I should give you a time limitation and that if it's insured via your business, the rates would be way cheaper. I'lll come see you tomorrow - I'll get the "cute chick" to drive me, so that we can talk - I've alot of doubts - and I don't need my friends trying to "help" me just yet. Matt (aka sigma boy)
[8:23:53 PM] *** Call to Flav sigma mechanic, no answer. ***
[8:24:34 PM] *** Call ended ***
[8:24:38 PM] *** Call to Flav sigma mechanic, no answer. ***
[8:25:26 PM] *** Call ended ***
[10:19:05 PM] *** Call to Flav sigma mechanic, duration 00:15. ***
[10:19:57 PM] *** Call ended ***

If any of you are his friend I apologise.

and you really need to get him to call me

48 hours left

[Cottees]

I can empathise with you on how you must feel, but you have to keep a cool head about it. If I had your car, and someone did the same thing, I would be as eager to take the damages out with a baseball bat, but it isn't the way to go about it. it is a little unfair that he has left you in the lurch like this. The least he could do is keep some contact to see what is happening, and offer help even if he is away. Stay the course, get the compensation, and get your baby fixed.

[Lowmion]

Does anyone know of a mechanic and an auto electrician that can come visit and supply a quote for the repairs needed ?

[GC75]

moved back out of staff section, lowmion will update you all shortly.