Starter Motor

[www.18u]

So mine died yesterday Bought a brand new one and went to replace it today in the rain... Anyway it turns out you can't get the starter out without removing a engine mount!!!! Has anyone else had this problem? I mean i can remove the mount but what a p.i.t.a

[GB_BB4C]

You should be able to get it in and out without removing the engine mount, as you take it out tilt it up and away from the block. There should be plenty of clearance.

[shuggy]

what engine? never had this problem ever

[81GL]

Can't say i've had that problem either?

galant, sigma, even in the TN magna was able to get the starter out?

[www.18u]

what engine? never had this problem ever

Astron 2 GN Wagon Auto.
I rekon i have about 2-3mm of clearance between the starter and the mount. I was under the car when trying to remove it, so possibly from above it can be done. All i know is that i'm glad i bought a new one, and will never have to do it again.

[Skidmark]

Ive got the same thing with my GN but thankfully the engines coming out.Its a 2.6 Auto, and I can not get the little bugger out.

[Sigmaproject]

This all sounds a bit weird

I replaced mine with a TP magna starter, which is a fair bit bigger than a stock Sigma starter, and had no problems

[astronturbo77]

with my lancer it has a 2.6. and with late model magna starters you have to remove the engine mount to install/remove them.

[Skidmark]

Yep that pic above definetly has more room. Ive tried but no can do, mind you I was never any good at the rubics cube, Ive even tried holding my tongue out in different positions but it must be the same as the models described by ASTRONTURBO77.
Some pics, you can see there is only about 5mm gap to the engine mount.

[www.18u]

I'm not crazy after all

[shuggy]

put a jack under the engine at the bellhousing and undo the engine mount
jack up the engine a bit as to just get enough clearance.
cheers

[81GL]

there you go...

What a stupid idea that was mitsubishi must of been thought of when they were designing the Magnas to be FWD

[gaz914]

Late starter (Magna?) by the look of it.
Magnas don't have the same sort of engine mount, so no issues.

When I used the Magna stater on the SoD, I had to modify the mount (remove a bit) to make it fit

cheers
Gaz

[Sigmaproject]

Definately has another starter fitted. There is only one starter listed for GN, so it does the manuals and auto's. and it has heaps of clearance.

Mine is TP Magna with no clearance issues.

This is a Sigma starter off ebay. As you can see, the motor casing is not much longer than the solenoid

[www.18u]

When i bought mine, My mate looked it up in his book as he is a auto electrician, and there is 2 starters listed for the GN. It doesn't say what the difference is but maybe it could be size!

[rob020]

i had an iteresting thread on starters a while ago, theres three different starters, 1 sigma one and 2 magna ones, make sure you use the right one or itll get chewed up, though i suppose theyd be matched to the gearbox/flywheel.... DONT USE A MAGNA STARTER IN A SIGMA, DONT USE A SIGMA STARTER IN A MAGNA

also the three different starters have about three different types each, so it seems... depending on bosch/mitsubishi or whatever... i had 7 DIFFERENT astron starters at one point

cheers,
rob

[rob020]

When i bought mine, My mate looked it up in his book as he is a auto electrician, and there is 2 starters listed for the GN. It doesn't say what the difference is but maybe it could be size!

mabye direct drive vs reduction gearing?? ive seen short skinny ones, long fat ones, short fat ones and long skinny ones... starters i mean

[www.18u]

I think your right Rob, the one in there now is a Bosch, and the replacement one is exactly the same size. The car was a one owner and came with the log books, and al thel reciepts are there for any work done but no starter motor. The car has only done 105,000kms but it did have a blown headgasket for a little while. From what i hear this is a common killer of starters in these cars.

[rob020]

i remember my father and i discussing the principle, but i cant quite remember,

the reduction drive has a smaller motor, but also has gears, so its physically lager?
the direct drive has a more powerfull (larger?) motor and is physically smaller?

or did we end up agreeing the reduction drive was more efficient producing more torque through gearing with a more efficient motor?

i cant ask him, anyone elses thoughts on the matter?

cheers,
rob

[Sigmaproject]

My starter is a reduction drive Bosch to suit TM-TP Magna. And as can be seen in the pic of engine bay above, it has ample clearance to remove and Install .

Also there is only one starter listed in the Mitsubishi spare parts catalogue. There may be more listed in the Bosch catologue, but I dont have one to check.

Any starter, Bosch or Mitsubishi, from previous models should also fit.

[www.18u]

Thanks heaps guys This is exactly why i like this forum. There is no wrong answer, only different opinions/way to do things.
I ended up dropping the car off at the mechanics this morning, as i had a couple of other things being done as well

[Billsy]

ive had issues with those large starters aswell, theyre a pest.
i destroyed the plastic (yes theyre crappy plastic) reduction drive in 2 of them on the high comp engine i was running.

i always go for the smaller non reduction starters now, theyve been more reliable over time and only take 5 mins to change, not half an hour and some swearing.
only thing is they like more juice to start the engine. but with a large battery isnt an issue.

[astronturbo77]

thats definatly a magna reduction starter. ive got one on my astron, and it works far better. put is a pain as the engine mount needs removing to get it out.

[Sigmaproject]

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Here is a dodgy picture of a couple of starters I found in the shed



The one at the rear is the factory Sigma starter from my GN. I only replaced it because I though the reduction starter would be a better option

The front one came of a 2.6 of unknown origin in a Scorpion that I had. It is very small

[Billsy]

the top one in that pic IS a reduction drive, the bottom small one is not.
the motors are pretty much the same, just the small one has less to break down/wear out.

i think they probably changed things to take some load off the battery and give the cars a better chance to crankover with a half flat battery.
but thats just a guess

[slo]

the genuine one that came out of my tn was a smaller unit to a 'replacement' one which ending up failing so i was lucky enough to find a new near genuine at the wreckers which was the same size as my original

both the genuine stock ones had a mitsu AW part number and a 92 bosch part number, where as the replacement just had a bosch number which was different to the genuine part number

so i would suggest if your wanting a magna unit try and look for a genuine one with both part numbers, im led to believe that the 2nd gen magnas used the same starters as the 1st too

[rob020]

im led to believe that the 2nd gen magnas used the same starters as the 1st too

tr/ts have their own starter, i know from experience

[vr4sigma]

hhhmm seen this somewhere before