Wheels sizes?

[75wagon]

But if you want to fill the gaurds why go skinny?

I'll tell you why.
The guards on Lancer Hatches are huge and look stupid with little wheels.
By fitting a large rim I can fill them up, and then fitting a smallish tyre to them allows me to not have to bend quite so much body work to stop them from rubbing (I'm thinking front tyres here).
I also want to be able to rotate the rims front to rear so I can maximise the mileage I get from the tyres.
With the GH Sigma front strut and the lowered springs it runs quite a fair bit of camber, and will probably wear the insides of the tyres quite early. Depends how I drive it I supppose?

Another reason:
My wagon handles soooo much better running a widened track, I wanted to do the same for the hatch.
Some of the local members from up this way have witnessed how well the wagon handles, and for a car with everything original (even the suspension rubbers) with just a set of Monroe gas shocks...
It does lean quite a bit, but I just drive around it.

Another reason:
Because it's going to look f___ing awesome

Dave...

[DanTurboLancer]

I am looking at some whels that are 40+ offset...??

Is that a Front wheel drive offset?

[DanTurboLancer]

and ive just found another wheel with +20 offset... i still dont understand the wheel offset set up
So a 16 x 8.5 with +20 offset...
Would it work?

[Superscan811]

So a 16 x 8.5 with +20 offset...Would it work?

Possibly not.

Typically, the wider the rim the more negative offset you need.


0 offset is the center of the rim/tyre.
On a 6" wide rim this is 3"
On an 8" rim this is 4"

A more + offset moves the rim/tyre towards the strut.
A more - offset moves the rim/tyre away from the strut.

For example:
A 6" wide rim with a 0 offset is just missing the strut.
If you went to an 8" rim, you would need a -26 offset (25.4 actually) to miss the strut.

For the 6" wide, 0 offset rim, there is 3" of the rim going back towards the strut.
For the 8" wide, 0 offset rim, there is 4" of the rim going back towards the strut.
SO with an 8" wide rim, you now need a -26 offset rim so there is still only 3" of the rim going back towards the strut.

Cheers.

[DanTurboLancer]

Ahh Thank you Superscan!!

So if i were to have to,
I could use a 30mm spacer...

I really dont want to use spacers if possible

[75wagon]

Quote from http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.p ... 2&start=30

Just a reminder these are 16x8's with +10 Offset.
That is a backspacing of 125mm from the inside of the hubface to the inner most edge of the rim.
There is a 19mm gap between the rim and the strut tower (this car is fitted with GH Sigma front struts, if that changes anything)
The outer face of the rim is 237mm from the strut (measuring from inside the rim whilst fitted)

These are actual sizes of the rims on my car as they actually fit.

I wouldn't worry to much about the offset Dan. As I have learned there are a lot of people who don't know how to measure it. I had a bloke trying to tell me that a set of rims the same as mine had a 190mm backspace?
The safest way I found is to measure the backspacing from the rear side of the hub face of the wheel (do it yourself). Then measure the distance you have from your hub face (on your strut) back to the strut.

Superscan811 is correct on how offset is measured, but I'm unsure about this

If you went to an 8" rim, you would need a -26 offset (25.4 actually) to miss the strut.

My 16x8 inch wheels are +10 and there is still a 19mm gap from the back of the rim to the strut (using GH Sigma struts) Unless my rims are labeled wrong?

and ive just found another wheel with +20 offset... i still dont understand the wheel offset set up
So a 16 x 8.5 with +20 offset...
Would it work?

Using my rims to gauge that size off (being 16x8's with +10 offset) have 19mm to spare to the strut.
Changing the offset to +20 would make the gap 9mm
and then widening the rim another 1/2 and inch would reduce that gap to 2.75mm (approx)
That isn't much room is it?
How much space do you have from your strut to your guard? Do you have 243.25mm (approx) or more?

Come over and have a look Dan. Take all the measurements you want.
You could always knock you wheel studs out of you front hubs and try my wheels on your car/struts for a guide?

Dave...

[A112H]

How much space do you have from your strut to your guard? Do you have 243.25mm (approx)

LOL thats a fairly accurate approximation Dave

[Superscan811]

My 16x8 inch wheels are +10 and there is still a 19mm gap from the back of the rim to the strut (using GH Sigma struts) Unless my rims are labeled wrong?

Sorry.
My explanation was only there to make it a bit clearer how offset works.

Cheers.

[75wagon]

Sorry.
My explanation was only there to make it a bit clearer how offset works.

Cheers.

It's all good.

I found it really difficult buying new wheels, I was scared of buying something that wouldn't fit. Over ebay makes that even worse.
I feel really lucky that they fit so well. There was a bit of suck it and see there, that's why I wanted to share what I found with wheel sizes.

I hope any info here in this post really helps anyone that is unsure about buying rims off the shelf, exactly what the measurements mean.

Dave...

[77galantv6]

with 16 x 8's i believe that an offset between -+ 0 up to around +20 is achievable (without spacers)

[75wagon]

with 16 x 8's i believe that an offset between -+ 0 up to around +20 is achievable (without spacers)

Yep
+20 would be a good starting point, that leaves 9mm between the back of the rim and the strut tube.
If you have larger guards (like a Lancer Hatch) then you can go +10 no problem, 0 would be just out of the front guards.
I need to try my rims on a Sigma to see how they go on that.
Both GA/GB Galant and LA/LB Lancer's wouldn't be able to have them fit in the guards without either wheel flares or flaring the mudguards.

Can anyone give a measurement of a GA/GB Galant or/and a LA/LB sedan from the strut (below the spring base) to the guard lip?

Dave...

[stealth]

the la sedan and coupes are 232.5 mm and a extra 10mm IF the guard is rolled!
cheers stealth

[DanTurboLancer]

So with 9 mm between inside of wheel and the strut tube.
With a 16 or 17 inch wheel, with a 205 width,
How much profile would I be able to use,and not touch the spring plate?

[stealth]

well i use the factory au falcon steelies there 16x6.5 (factory offset) with a 16 225 50 and that don't fit with the factory spring hangers not even close but a 60mm id coil over does the job
cheers stealth

[75wagon]

OK, I took a wheel off and did some measurements.
This is the 16x8 +10 rim on a standard Galant strut (rims fitted with 205 45 16's), showing the rear spacing to the strut tube and factory coil base.
It's looking like 24mm to me?


I thought I'd try the rims on my Galant. I don't like how they look BTW. Just not the look for the wagon at all.


Top view


The inside of the tape is to just below the weld for the coil base. This measurement is to the outside of the chrome strip (as GL Galant's have them).
I read that as 240mm


Same measurement on the hatch.
I read that as 252mm. See the Lancer hatch guards are bigger.


I used a square (or whatever you call it) to get a level measurement from the coil base weld to the outer most point of the guard arch. Note: this is an outside measurement, not the inside.

Dave...

[77galantv6]

nice fingernails dave lol

[75wagon]

That's 2 now

I was Just talking to Dan on the phone. He said the same thing.

For everyone's information my hand is the dirty one, the other one is on the camera. The other hands are my daughters, she was the only one available to help me take the pics.

Dave...

[DanTurboLancer]

well i use the factory au falcon steelies there 16x6.5 (factory offset) with a 16 225 50 and that dont fit with the factory spring hangers not even close but a 60mm id coil over does the job
cheers stealth

Is it the rim that doesnt fit?
Or the 225 tyres?

Might a 215 or 205 be ok?
I was thinking of getting BA or AU steelies just to get it on the road until i can pick up some wheels

[amgis_obrut]

front wheels on my V8 are 16x8 with a +10 tyres are 215 50 16 and they just clear the spring hanger after it had be clearenced (bashed with hammer) anything wider or taller and they'll hit

pre AU has a 0 offset

Au onwards has +35

will measure up my 17's when i knock off work

all these measurements may be pointless as some measurements are based on the factory hub position, can you take a measurement from the hub flange to the center of the strut tube

[stealth]

Is it the rim that doesnt fit?
Or the 225 tyres?

Might a 215 or 205 be ok?
I was thinking of getting BA or AU steelies just to get it on the road until i can pick up some wheels

the tyre is 9mm off the strut AND my billet hubs are plus 10mm on the face ,yes the tyre overhangs the rim by about 15mm.
Now the spring hanger ,well the rim would hit the factory one ,so you get two options there
on my road car i cut the spring hanger off then rewelded it on 45mm higher and put lower springs in it,or you go coilovers but remember in a la you only want about 245lbs otherwise there a pain in the !
hope this helps ,rant over
cheers stealth

[DanTurboLancer]

The problem i have then is the Sigma struts that im using, that came in the Purple LA.
Have had the lower Spring mount lowered.

He has cut them off, cut some out of them, then lowered them down and welded them back in.

Im guessing it was to lower the car but still use off the shelf lowered springs and not modify them...

Yeah it lowered the car.

But it will also have lowered the height between the top of the wheel and tyre, and the spring mount....

I will have to get the suspension back together and do some measuring I guess

[amgis_obrut]

wow thats an interesting way to go about things lol

[A112H]

[75wagon]

Yeah, I learned that one while I was sizing and buying rims.
The rim width is measured from where the tyre bead sits. The actual width of the whole rim is about 1 inch wider then that.

Dave...

Edit: I have removed and edited some of the above posts to stay on topic and make it easier and less confusing for anyone who is reading through the topic.

[75wagon]

This may help GA/GB owners for wheel sizes
Straight off the JNC forum
Mitsubishi Garage
Direct link to car below
Came across some new wheels and tires... Riken Mesh 15x7 +0 offset


Dave...

[Smithy]

That galant looks awesome.I want a front spoiler like that for my lancer

[77galantv6]

already ordered one haha

[A112H]

^^Where from?

[77galantv6]

but if i tell you, its not going to be unique then is it??

search ebay for vw rabbit spoiler and you get....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Gen-VW-R ... ccessories

[A112H]

lol, cheers mate. Out of stock, lol. More in 2-3 weeks