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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:42 am

yeh ive heard great things about the 3m products. i know where i can get some too. im a bit of a perfectionist when detailing my cars. lately ive been slacking off from the weather.

oh and dave. idk atm. i was thinking along the lines of a custom interior with black suede, carpet etc something different you know. Also probably dropping a 2.6 in it. mainly because its an easier conversion than a 4g63 and its a great starting point. for instance i can drop the engine in keeping it running the carb set up and slowly improve it. one thing is for sure, im pulling those factory wheels off and getting a set of 15s. dad already bought me a set of starion wheels and new tyres. its for safety purposes more than looks. its a pain driving in the wet (although it can be good fun at times ;p)
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby 75wagon » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:09 am

All good, I was curious to see what sort of mods you wanted to do to it. Mainly to see whether you were planning on modding the body at all.
metry wrote:Also probably dropping a 2.6 in it. mainly because its an easier conversion than a 4g63 and its a great starting point. for instance i can drop the engine in keeping it running the carb set up and slowly improve it.

Of course you do realise you'll need to fit Sigma front struts/brakes and get it engineered to do this?

I have a bit of a theory with mods. If it's just bolt on, parts, with no body mods, then I don't think it depreciates the cars value (if you also keep the original parts so it can be returned to standard if need be). Everything I've done to my wagon (except paint and gear stick hole) can be returned to standard by simply bolting the stock parts back on.

Some advice for you (from someone who has done a few cars over the last 23 years), work out what end result you want. If you start with a plan and work to it, it will always be easier and cheaper in the long run. Changing you mind always costs time and money. If you want to go 4G63 do it, but understand that fitting it would probably mean the car would be more difficult to return to standard, and a more difficult mod to tackle then just fitting a 4G54 (as you stated).
Here's a thought: as far as 4G63's go, have you thought of fitting a single cam from an L300 van? There is a guy here in Newcastle running one as a track car in his GB, he's fitted a 4G64 head and intake from a Hyundai Sonata and it all fits low enough so the bonnet clears. Here it is in action and here again from outside view

metry wrote:dad already bought me a set of starion wheels and new tyres. its for safety purposes more than looks. its a pain driving in the wet (although it can be good fun at times ;p)

New tyres generally fix most of that.
Unless you widen the track like I have with the 16x8+10's with 205's. That can get a little stupid in the wet, sometimes you have to chose whether you want the front or back to let go if you want to negotiate large round-about's with any decent pace. It does make for an interesting commute though ;-)

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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby webby » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:24 pm

75wagon wrote:Here's a thought: as far as 4G63's go, have you thought of fitting a single cam from an L300 van? There is a guy here in Newcastle running one as a track car in his GB, he's fitted a 4G64 head and intake from a Hyundai Sonata and it all fits low enough so the bonnet clears. Here it is in action and here again from outside view


I like this idea, but instead of using the 4G64 head and losing compression/squish area why not use a 16v 4G63 head and injection from a HJ Galant?
Or just go with a 4G64 and have the extra .4L capacity? Either way it's going to need Sigma brakes and engineering as the 4G6x series was never available in Lancers/Galants here.

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metry wrote:dad already bought me a set of starion wheels and new tyres. its for safety purposes more than looks. its a pain driving in the wet (although it can be good fun at times ;p)

New tyres generally fix most of that.
Unless you widen the track like I have with the 16x8+10's with 205's. That can get a little stupid in the wet, sometimes you have to chose whether you want the front or back to let go if you want to negotiate large round-about's with any decent pace. It does make for an interesting commute though ;-)

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This is true. I have no problems in the wet with 14's and new tyres, and that's in a bigger car with a fair whack more power/torque. I have yet to drive it with the 7's up front though.
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby dvsfin » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:42 pm

my car is ridiculous in the wet, barely above idle, sideways around corners in second and third. And that is on brand new tyres.

But I didn't say it wasn't fun :P
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby webby » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:30 pm

It depends on the tyres really. Cheap Chinese crap isn't going to do that well in the wet, nor are sportier tyres. I have Goodyear passenger tyres on mine, and they have no problems maintaining grip provided I don't go back a gear and stand on it mid-corner. Which I do, occasionally :P
So, basically, make sure you run good quality all-weather tyres and don't drive like a lunatic and you shouldn't run into any problems in the rain :)
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby dvsfin » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:41 pm

they aren't cheap tyres though either, they are goodyear gt3 195's. But my car has been like this with every tyre I have had on the rear, even in the dry it steps out under power, which once again I never said isn't fun :P

But I chased my mate in his stock standard vs commodore through some backstreets and he stuck to the road where as I was sideways on practically every fast corner. Like I can still take the corners at the same speed as him but he is stuck to the road and I am definitely not
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby webby » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:50 pm

Fair enough lol :)
Sounds like it needs less rear swaybar? Unless the coupes are like Mk2 Escorts and are inherently tail-happy things lol :P

Sorry for dragging your thread offtopic metry :$
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby 75wagon » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:06 pm

Tyres are but one part of the equation.
Stiffened suspension is another problem, it's good for the race track or dry really good condition roads, but is terrible on your standard potholed rubbish (and sometimes wet) roads we drive on.

Tyres and suspension are designed to work together, altering any one part of the design changes it quite dramatically.

webby wrote: I have no problems in the wet with 14's and new tyres, and that's in a bigger car with a fair whack more power/torque. I have yet to drive it with the 7's up front though.

I think more important then rim width is the contact patch of the tyre and also the track width.
- A wider tyre is not necessarily better for grip, increase in the size of the contact patch actually reduces the amount of traction with the road per square inch. Heavier cars have more weight, therefore more down force on the tyre. Personally, I believe anything wider then a 205 tyre on a Galant or Lancer is too wide for general purpose road use. (Race tracks and race tyres are a completely different story.)
- Increasing the track width will increase the amount of sliding in wet weather driving (adding sway bars also has the same effect. I'm probably going to get caned for this, but, body roll is not always a bad thing).

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75wagon wrote:Here's a thought: as far as 4G63's go, have you thought of fitting a single cam from an L300 van? There is a guy here in Newcastle running one as a track car in his GB, he's fitted a 4G64 head and intake from a Hyundai Sonata and it all fits low enough so the bonnet clears. Here it is in action and here again from outside view


I like this idea, but instead of using the 4G64 head and losing compression/squish area why not use a 16v 4G63 head and injection from a HJ Galant?
Or just go with a 4G64 and have the extra .4L capacity?

The 4G64 head, I would assume that someone going to this trouble would also get the bottom end rebuild before putting the motor together. Obviously compression ratios would need to be brought back up where they need to be for whatever build is undertaken. Either shaving the head, or putting 1. dome top, or 2. a higher top pistons to achieve it would do it.

webby wrote:Either way it's going to need Sigma brakes and engineering as the 4G6x series was never available in Lancers/Galants here.

That is correct, I did fail to mention that.
I was only talking about the 2.6 conversion as metry commented that he could keep driving the car and do little bit by little bit for that modification. I just wanted to make sure he knew that was required.

webby wrote:Sorry for dragging your thread offtopic metry :$

Me also, but it's started now :P

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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby webby » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:25 pm

re: heads, wouldn't the chamber on the '64 head be physically larger dia. wise than the bores in the '63 block? So you'd need to shave the head anyway, much like you would to put an S2 head on a 4G52?
Don't get me wrong, the '64 head is far better than the 8v '63 item due to it's larger valves and ports. But I would have thought the HJ SOHC '63 item would flow just as well and wouldn't need shaving, due to it's being 16v and having '64 sized ports?
Sorry if I'm coming across as pushy, it's just that I'm curious as I'm considering going down this route in my car :)
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby 75wagon » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:00 pm

Mate, to tell the truth, I am unfamiliar with the 4G6x motors. All I can say is that Laurie (who's son owns the GB race car mentioned above) spoke very highly of the combo he was running and also the engine builder that built the car. Laurie owns and runs KAS Kotara Auto Services, has spent a lot of time developing the car. I'm trying to remember the actual engine builder's name who built it. I have spoken to him, and he mentioned a few things that need doing to get a 4g32 to haul. I just thought the single cam version wouldn't be a bad option as there would be plenty of both L300 vans to source motors, and plenty of Hyundai Sonata's to source the head and intake from. Of course there is always the case that I am wrong, and they just used the intake from the Sonata and not the head? Either way, it's something worth looking into as an option, or not?

All I know is, I have witnessed the car make a run up King Edward Park in Newcastle and I can confirm it performed very well and seemed to pull well the whole way through the rev range. The video's above I believe show this as well.

webby wrote:Sorry if I'm coming across as pushy, it's just that I'm curious as I'm considering going down this route in my car :)

No one ever learnt anything without asking questions :thumpsup:
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:17 pm

yeh i understand about the engineering and upgrading the brakes. very important when you modify a car. its all well and good for it to move but its gotta be able to stop. i was hoping on buying an old sigma and stripping it to take the engine and struts etc. of course it would have to be an auto and preferably a gh. dad said the same thing as you dave. he said make sure you keep the originals for everything. the original carpet is perfect. doesnt have any rips or tears. the door cards are perfect as well as the roof lining. atm though i have other priorities such as the body. over all it is in good condition just needs to get the bonnet colour matched and a small patch of rust cut out
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:30 pm

im also keen on seeling the car up properly. anyone know where i can get rubbers for the doors, around the boot lid etc?
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby geezer101 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:53 pm

I'd try playing musical parts with your seals. A cut down cordia hatch seal maybe? How about pinching some door seals from a colt? Just a thought... ;-)
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:13 pm

so the cordia seal is virtually the same as the lancer seal just bigger right? i might have a look at starions then. theyre virtually the same shape
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby geezer101 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:22 pm

Don't quote me on it, it's strictly trial and error. Some rubbers simply aren't available for a specific model but you could also try taking a sample to an after market seal supplier and get them to measure it up. I found a replacement rear window seal for my GD wagon through a mob called Fitches here in Adelaide (it was from a renault and took a minimal amount of playing with to do the job).
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:03 pm

sounds like a plan. anyone on here know any places in sydney?
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:58 pm

ust a quick update guys. dropped the car off today at the panel beaters. hoping to get the bonnet painted. took the panel beater a few months to fit me in but its finally happening
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby Tj. » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:10 pm

Awww, I was just getting used to it being brown :lol:

Don't forget some photos when its done!!
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:19 pm

yeh will definately get some photos once its done. the brown problem was only a real issue during the day. at night it looked black haha
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:58 pm

hey guys. just an update. picked the car up off the panel beater last friday where it spent 3 weeks getting some work done. first off i had the brown bonnet repaired and repainted inside and out in orange, rust cut out of the bottom of the guards, some touch ups from a 20c job someone had performed on the car before i bought it. and i also had those hideous black rubbers along the side of the car removed. now here are some pics (Y)

close up of the front
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby tre04z » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:17 pm

That looks better. Now its a real car. Its amazing how just a little paint can tranform it from p.o.s junker to a real stunner. As for your door seals, weather strips, boot seal, etc there is a place called SPECTRUM PAINT AND PANEL (formerly peter jackson rubber co.) located in Dunheved Industrial Estate they can match most original seal profiles and even make some up for you at special $$$$$. I bought my seals from there and made them up myself which is the cheaper alternative (as always). Keep up the good work and we'll have to try and catch up soonish. Hope this info helps.

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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby 75wagon » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:37 pm

Yep, nice work.
Looking good. :thumpsup: :thumpsup: :thumpsup:

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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby 81GL » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:24 pm

:thumpsup: looks good
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:36 pm

thanks everyone for the comments. im glad i got the car back. it feels good to be cruising around in it. next thing to go on the car is the 15 inch starion wheels.

ps trevor thanks for telling us about the rubber place. i remember you telling me about it before and i put it in my old phone. when you say you "made up" the seals, did you just buy rolls of it and cut it to size?
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby Tj. » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:06 pm

The best way to approach spectrum rubber (who stock mostly rare spares parts btw) is to take your original pieces in and compare them to the original before buying them. I had a lot of trouble with the parts they listed for the coupe being wrong.
Not entirely their fault I guess, they are working from really old parts books, but it'll save you a lot of headaches.

Paint is looking great by the way. It's the small details that count :thumpsup:
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:50 pm

thanks for the heads up TJ. ill probably wait till summer when the whether has warmed up a bit (and i have more time). i forgot to mention that i took a hint from trev and fitted some vt commodore windscreen washer jets onto the bonnet before it went to the panel beater. they look pretty sweet on the bonnet ill throw some pics up tomorrow or the day after
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby A112H » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:48 am

Looks very nice, glad the brown didn't set in and paint the whole car that colour, lol
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:07 pm

hahaha jsaon. im not a fan of brown on cars. especially 70s poo brown. i wanted to get some photos of the washer jets today but the old man took my car to work. ah well always tomorrow.
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby orangelancer » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:43 pm

well decided to give the car a wash and a wax today. the pics speak for themselves. my panel beater is pretty sure that this is still the original paintwork (except for the bonnet) so here they are

In the light
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the bonnet
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a pic of my mushroom
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front passneger shot. the colour looks like tangelo in this photo
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the new washer jets fitted these up before going to the panel shop
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the reflection yes i know i need to fill those guards :hit:
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Re: lc lancer hatch

Postby Tj. » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:28 pm

So shiney!
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