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its about how car is presented ie , clean and stripped is ideal.....i would say fair is $2-$3G and yeah use clear over base...2k? they would do color base coat first.. then pin stripes and black.. then clear coat the lot.... if its a full spray, they will color inside doors under guards etc, first. good paint costs but well worth it! i paid a grand for clear (glasurit) 7 years ago, and still looks insane and ive never polished the car
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My hardtop is dead straight, has no rust and has the door jams, boot and engine bay freshly painted. I took it to a painter near me and he has quoted me $2500 to sand back the body, prime, paint and clear. For that money he has promised a mint, smooth and shiney job.
Mine is staying straight white though, so I think that is a bit easier to prep and paint?
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those guesses are too cheap i reckon man, people dont understand the amount of man hours and prep time goes into a really really really good paint job, a good one is around 5-7g and a good cheap one is around 3g, but do it propperly is my advice :thumpsup:
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I was quoted $4000 by my dad's mate to cut out the rust, prep and respray only the outside of my LA in the original colour.
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astronturbo77 wrote:people dont understand the amount of man hours and prep time goes into a really really really good paint job
The hours are huge.
I wouldn't want to count the amount of hours I put into my wagon. It's not perfect, but I did it, and it looks tidy. The thing that makes me happy is how many people comment on how good it looks.

A professional job is a professional job. But the thing that sh__'s me is when you see a job that someone has payed good money for, and it's full of orange peel. Isn't the reason why you pay good money for a spray job because you want it to look good? Not just look the same as what you could do yourself?

I'm a house painter, and I charge fairly for my work. I can't stand it when I see some paint jobs (house), the work is handyman at best, and the price is almost twice what I'd charge? Gives all the 'real' tradesmen a bad name.

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astronturbo77 wrote:those guesses are too cheap i reckon man, :

Mine is a quote, not a guess. And yes, if mine had rust or dents or required any sort of body work it would have been closer to 5k.
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I wouldn't want to count the amount of hours I put into my wagon. It's not perfect, but I did it, and it looks tidy. The thing that makes me happy is how many people comment on how good it looks.
It may not be perfect but it sure as bloody close to perfect.
A professional job is a professional job. But the thing that sh__'s me is when you see a job that someone has payed good money for, and it's full of orange peel. Isn't the reason why you pay good money for a spray job because you want it to look good? Not just look the same as what you could do yourself?
I think sometimes part of the problem is that people wan't to try and save money and they tell panel shops that they will rub and prep the car them selves.

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Most spray painters ive met are up themselves and charge big bucks because of it!!, especially my bro!!(shit some docs charge less an hour!!!) I know he rips people off!!!
i'm actually going to do my car next time...to prove anyone can spray good paint!
astronturbo77 wrote:those guesses are too cheap i reckon man, people dont understand the amount of man hours and prep time goes into a really really really good paint job, a good one is around 5-7g and a good cheap one is around 3g, but do it propperly is my advice :thumpsup:
:D..... he said a straight rust free car... 5-7g???? you must know my brother!!! way to much!
Its no guess? lol....if you start with a straight car theres no "hours and hours of body work!!
orange peel has more to do with poor quality paints.....my brother is a spray painter, hes painted many a car for me! early days we bought crap paint...with ok results. on my galant i spent big bucks on paint...same painter...omg the difference! flatter and way shinnier!
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Nath76LA wrote:It may not be perfect but it sure as bloody close to perfect.
Thanks Nath :thumpsup:
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75wagon wrote: A professional job is a professional job. But the thing that sh__'s me is when you see a job that someone has payed good money for, and it's full of orange peel. Isn't the reason why you pay good money for a spray job because you want it to look good? Not just look the same as what you could do yourself?
I think sometimes part of the problem is that people wan't to try and save money and they tell panel shops that they will rub and prep the car them selves.
That may sometimes be true. My brother got the rust fixed in his Mk2 Cortina by a panel beater and I painted it for him.
The panel beater came over to see what sort of a job I was doing and caught me file finishing the rear wings on the guards. He said he didn't realise that so much effort was going into it? And if he knew then he would have been prepared to do it. He then told me of a story of a Ford Escort he prepped for a mate. The mate told him the body work had to be perfect because he was going to do a killer spray job. Truth was in the end that the paint job was so bad that the door handles couldn't even bolt up to the car straight because the runs were so bad :lol: :lol: :lol:
GLANT wrote:i'm actually going to do my car next time...to prove anyone can spray good paint!
Some people have an eye for detail and patience and really do do a reasonable job.
But saying that, it still does take time to learn how (it's not just something the average Jo could do perfect on first try).
I have seen some shocking paint jobs on cars in my time (and some by pros).

So as much as I do agree with what you have said, I have to say that it's not the case for everyone.

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75wagon wrote:A professional job is a professional job. But the thing that sh__'s me is when you see a job that someone has payed good money for, and it's full of orange peel. Isn't the reason why you pay good money for a spray job because you want it to look good? Not just look the same as what you could do yourself?

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this is what im afraid of. how do you know until they have done it and ruined your car and wasted your cash. would piss me off so much
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The best way to find out about how good someone is, is word of mouth.

Ask any painter that you are thinking of having paint your car if they can give out numbers of previous customers so you can talk to them about their experiences,a and whether they would recommend them? Anyone who genuinely does a good job should have no problem handing out quite a few references.

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honestly look at the quote say 600 in materials and the guy is charging close to 34 hours at 100 bucks an hour, no warranty with anything that blooms through or cracks because thats in the original sub surface, most shops will charge this or more per hour cause to them its a shit job, not a cream smash repair job where they can paint and then fit , being in the automotive trade and I can honestly say that panel shops can easily hide shitty work ,
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yeh the guy i know that does it is like a fourth year apprentice and also does private jobs at home for customers for extra cash. some of his work looks good so will have to hit him up about it. my other mate is getting his 260z painted at the moment from another guy for $800. was already rubbed back mostly and only doing panels and door jams. it wont be the best job but he is ok with that
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Hey Leigh,

I'm still planning on having a crack at my GH Turbo at some point but the two tone is the main motivation killer. My mate Chris is getting his Moke done down Seaford way next week for $1500. Having fully restored a Moke myself, it's a harder job than it sounds. I'll let ya know how it turns out as if the work is good, I may throw the guy some work myself :)
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i know of the painting place on seaford road if your talking about seaford in SA. is that the place? i used to live around the corner from there
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Here we go again!! All painters are wankers,dodgy,up themselves etc....
If you want a good job,you have to pay for it. I can do a 2 pack,closed door respray on a saturday morning,but it will look like crap in a couple of months.
To do the job properly,the car needs to be stripped to bare metal (8-10 hours) Any previous repairs need to be re bogged. The car needs to be cleaned ( deoxidined,prepsoled etc),masked and hi fill primered,then baked.
Then comes the rubbing. First block sanded (dry) with 180 or similar,then blocked again (dry)with 400,then wet rubbed with 800 wet.These steps remove the risk of scratches showing up in the colour coats.
Once rubbed,the car should be pressure washed,dried thoroughly,prepsoled,blown off and masked.
When masked,the car should be prepsoled again,blown off and tack ragged.
Colour and clear is then applied and the job is baked for 60 minutes.
The cost of a decent repaint is not in the materials,but the labour time and running costs of the paint shop.
$100 per hour labour cost plus materials is absolute bull shit,as the labour charges for paintwork INCLUDE materials.
And what do I know???
I have been a spraypainter for the last 36 years and have spent 10 years of that in a restoration shop,15 years in a panel shop specialising in performance vehicles,5 in a shop doing NRMA and AAMI insurance work on top of serving my apprenticeship in a shop that specialised in porsche,ferarri,lambo repairs and restorations.
the people that think that a monkey can be trained to use a spray gun should sit in the corner of a paintshop and watch what goes on,take notes,see the crap that a painter puts up with in his workplace,and go home and rethink what they think of painters.
I was going to write a tutorial on paintwork for the forum while restoring a VH valiant Pacer for a mate,but due to the attitude of many members here,I have changed my mind.
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hey pistorf?? have you ever stepped into someone elses trade / job / anything???? no!! as you said 36 yrs painting... you sound just like my bro..... winges about the shit he puts up with in a paint shop.... and i have spent many hours in a paint shop...i do know!!!!!!...you should try maintenance fitting, if you think paintings got its shit!! omg youd hate my job.....funny thing! one of the maintenance fitters has become a spraypainter cause theres less shit there!!!
You definately are a professional :D :thumpsup: (unlike my brother, because of his attitude) your jobs would turn out great!! but theres alot of blokes ripping people off down here.... they are not explaining what it takes and where the money goes for a good paintjob! so they charge 1500 bucks to piss paint on to the panels...then it costs even more to paint properly, as you would know...

I am a bit like this :facepalm: with the whole paint thing.... thus why i want to do my own..as i can only blame myself if job turns out bad.
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have you ever stepped into someone elses trade / job / anything???? no!!

matter of fact I have!
I spent a couple of years in a stailnless fabrication shop as a polisher. dirty,fillthy work,but I enjoyed it more than painting,due to the fact that my boss and the customers showed more appreciation of the finished job.I have also worked as a brickies labourer when on holidays ,as well as done countless TV antenna installations with my father when I was a lot younger.I have pumped petrol on weekends,set up and detailed boats in the past (weekends) and am currently doing Woolies nightfill,so I do know what it is like away from a paint shop.
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pistorf wrote:Here we go again!! All painters are wankers,dodgy,up themselves etc....
You should hear what I get.
Apparently all house painters are total losers and don't even need to go to Tafe.
People buy paint at Bunnings and that makes them a painter.

A good tradesman in any trade is worth his weight in gold.
A good tradesman's work is something that should be appreciated, which is why I made this quote above:
75wagon wrote:The best way to find out about how good someone is, is word of mouth.

Ask any painter that you are thinking of having paint your car if they can give out numbers of previous customers so you can talk to them about their experiences,a and whether they would recommend them? Anyone who genuinely does a good job should have no problem handing out quite a few references.

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Anyone who can't tell the difference between a good and bad job is a fool.
There are plenty of good spray painters out there, the problem is sorting through all the BS, and being able to find them.
pistorf wrote:I was going to write a tutorial on paintwork for the forum while restoring a VH valiant Pacer for a mate,but due to the attitude of many members here,I have changed my mind.
That is a damn shame. It would have been a really good read, and certainly something that I would have learned a lot from.
That being said though, I don't think any tradesman should give away trade secrets or anything.
Tradesmen are already undervalued as they are.

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dave,feel free to ask anytime. I think you have seen one or two of my jobs in the past.
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pistorf wrote: the people that think that a monkey can be trained to use a spray gun should sit in the corner of a paintshop and watch what goes on,take notes,see the crap that a painter puts up with in his workplace,and go home and rethink what they think of painters.
Problem is with most trades that are hands like that you cant see the experience and "knack". I love nothing more than people coming into my work that say I am charging too much and that they will do it themselves cos it looks easy. only to have them back next week and pay the price quoted, so I can tell the guys in the shop how much of a douche they are when out of earshot and we all have a good laugh. :lol:
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Is it just me or did VR4retrofit's legit painting question thread somehow get turned into rant-fest?
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agree with ya dude......but it somewhat saves a new thread for arguements being made and people not knowing where it originated.

cant win either way :banh:
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pistorf wrote:I was going to write a tutorial on paintwork for the forum while restoring a VH valiant Pacer for a mate,but due to the attitude of many members here,I have changed my mind.
You should do it anyway mate. There are people on here that would find it to be a very good piece of information to have, I'd be one of them. It might also open peoples eyes as to what exactly happens and how much work is required, hence they wont complain when they get their car repainted.
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he practically did !....but then according to spraypainters, we dont have the skills anyway..so why bother!. we are just douches that stuff it up...and get laughed at behind our backs. notice all the painters have come on here, but not one has given acurate quote yet??? :wut:
LEE wrote:honestly look at the quote say 600 in materials and the guy is charging close to 34 hours at 100 bucks an hour, no warranty with anything that blooms through or cracks because thats in the original sub surface, most shops will charge this or more per hour cause to them its a shit job, not a cream smash repair job where they can paint and then fit , being in the automotive trade and I can honestly say that panel shops can easily hide shitty work ,

ive been quoted just like that from sheen panels in ftg a few years back! and they told me also they dont like doing full resprays, cause yep!! its a shit job...had alot of faith in that joint!!...just cant win really!
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How can anybody give an accurate quote without seeing the ferkin car????
What condition is the surface in?
Has it been touched up in acrylic over the last 25 or so years?
As for all painters generalising and calling you a bunch of douches,I totally resent that comment.
Anything that i have posted about paintwork here has either been helpfull,constructive or advice from personal experience (lots of it)
I have both seen and experienced the results of poor surface preparation. It is mainly the people that want a cheap job done that complain.
as for panel shops preferring insurance work over private work,whoever said that is either dreaming or make a habit of ripping insurance comanies off,as there is more money to be made doing private work than insurance work because insurance compnies pay shit.
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This is starting to get a bit too bitchy and is miles away from the original question. I am locking the topic.
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