hill climb galant

[turbol200]

has anyone setup a gc/gd galant to do hill climbs ?? if so what kind of things did you do, suspension, steering, brakes and what ever elce there is that i cant think of atm ??? cheers

[colta51]

there is a gc getting around adelaide hillclimbs but i dont no wat he has done other than a 2.0

[karl_2ltgc]

My car was initially for hillclimbs.

Start with a sigma if your serious it will be much cheaper and easier to setup because its wider, has 4 link rear end, better front end, better brakes and already has astron engine.

Basically with a galant you will likely be filling it with sigma and custom parts(to get the rear end working) so its much easier to just start with a sigma.

[75wagon]

Here are a couple that I can think of.
The first is owned by galantgrunt. It was built with the intention of competing in hillclimbs (but to my knowledge hasn't yet)
http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5336

The second, although a GB not a GC/GD (they are not that dissimilar), owned by yellowGB, competes in hillclimbs and circuits. I have seen this car in action at the Matara Hill Climb in Newcastle. It's very well sorted.
http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=2676

Hope these links help?

Dave...

[turbol200]

thanks for that mate, there a good read should be a fun project lol

[cheaterparts]

Basically with a galant you will likely be filling it with sigma and custom parts(to get the rear end working) so its much easier to just start with a sigma.

thats funny !
of cause I have to agree its easier to make the sigma handle but the same stuff works

make your track as wide as poss - lower the car ( less weight transfer in corners )
remove as much weight as you can for the class
get the best stickiest tyres you can
dial in more camber and caster and adjust toe out ( not in )
for the rear end tramp bars and a ether a watts link or a panhard rod ( sus out Karls baby sh!t brown galant his set up did work fairly well )

there are a few things to look at
have fun with hillclimb its a great way to get into motorsport

[Rallyant]

Use a coupe if you can,( I am) (will get some pics up Soon (cars in melbourne and im in sydney most of the time at the moment) they have a wider body in the back/ room for a wider track, and without the doors in the way you can easy make it as wide as you want ( or are allowed to in your class)
My measurements tell me ill get my Cheaterbeaters rear track as wide as cheaterparts Sigma, could not get near it with a 4door tho.
The sigma brobably is the easy way to go, But im keen to see what a Galant can do, There lighter also.

[karl_2ltgc]

Coupe will likely be heavier(20kgs maybe) and offer less chassis rigidity though.

I have a scorp diff in the galant with +10 13x7's so my rear end is not far off cheaters sigma racecar... my guards were pumped myself with a bottle jack, a few bits of wood and and big f off sledge hammer.

The thing with a galant is that once you put all the sigma stuff into it, there is really bugger all weight difference between the two.

All the driveline/brakes from the sigma is really what makes them heavier than the galant. Actually weight of the body shell will only be maybe 50kgs or so difference once all the interia is stripped out.

[turbol200]

ok well i just got all bretts car and a few other bits off him ( not his engine or box),im going to put all my stuff in the sports pack shell because its a beter shell to start with lol, so iv get his front brake upgrade to go in, my old man has finished them off for me needed a hole drilled and tapped and the brake lines doing, i got him to do it becasue brakes are IMPORTANT lol and he puts 110 percent into every thing he does lol, and i just wanted to be sure thay were done right haha, i was thinking of fitting a l200 diff in, because
1: i have a complete one and a spare center and axles
2: thay have like 31 spline axles and are strong as
3: i dont think i will have to cut it down as it looks narrow as, did have a tape on it once before but cant rember what it was,
replace all bushes with nolathan, some swaybars or mod standard ones E.G twin sway bars,
im going to add a main leaf and a small one to the rear spings to see how that goes, iv got them siting here, get proper ones done if that doesnt work out ,

whats your opinon on all this

Cheers damo

[karl_2ltgc]

Do not put a swaybar on the rear.

[turbol200]

ok mate does it make them handle like shit ? cheers

[Rallyant]

Coupe will likely be heavier(20kgs maybe) and offer less chassis rigidity though.

Not once the cage is in.

The thing with a galant is that once you put all the sigma stuff into it, there is really bugger all weight difference between the two.
All the driveline/brakes from the sigma is really what makes them heavier than the galant. Actually weight of the body shell will only be maybe 50kgs or so difference once all the interia is stripped out.

Im hoping for 100kg lighter, But even 50kg is significant. RPWs coupe is way under 1000kg from memory (dave?) 800 rings a bell, But they have fiberglass all over it (thats a no no in IP class)
Im pretty sure the galants around the 1000kg mark with all the 2.6 setup, Ill weigh might when i get back to Melbourne this weekend.

i was thinking of fitting a l200 diff in,

I have an L200 ute diff with a pajero LSD swaped in for my coupe, great for the big power turbo but way to heavy for hill climb, Just doesn't need to be
THAT strong. Im not sure what ill go with for the NA hill climb setup, im thinking a BG.
I have the 3.9 from the l200, 2 sets of 3.545 from late mod starions and the 4.6 i think it is from a pajero for it.
But yes, it will fit straight in without cutting down!, (need to weld the leaf mounts in the right spot first, get the pinion angle right too)

And like Karl said, No swaybar in the rear. It will cause them to overseer.

[turbol200]

yer ok mate thanks lol theres some good as info here, have you raced your galant as yet ? Rallyant

[Rallyant]

Na i have been either to slack or busy with other things
Its got a 2.6 turbo in it at the moment, Im building a 2.6NA for the track, I have most of the gear needed for the motor build, I just need to finish off the head, Ill probably pull the motor apart again and have cheaterparts spin a lot of weight off the crank. Tempted to go straight for a stroked setup too.
With any luck ill at least get it back on the road during my next trip to melb.

[cheaterparts]

Im hoping for 100kg lighter, But even 50kg is significant. RPWs coupe is way under 1000kg from memory (dave?) 800 rings a bell, But they have fiberglass all over it (thats a no no in IP class)
Im pretty sure the galants around the 1000kg mark with all the 2.6 setup, Ill weigh might when i get back to Melbourne this weekend.

glen my GE sigma in race trim weighs in at 990 Kg - no fibre glass - full body and glass
there is very little difference in the body weighs

Na i have been to slack

this is the truth !

[Rallyant]

HEY! its more that i have spent $$$$$ on other things, Hanggliders aint cheap.
Next time im in melb Ill drop a heap of stuff off to you for machining, then we will see whos slack

[cheaterparts]

no worrys I'll get my big hammer ready

cheater

[BIG26L]

My old Ipra LA went along the lines of this and weighted in at 887kg before you put my fat arse in it.

Laptimes (on AOO8RS's) EC 1.49.93 OPGP 1.21.3 OP Sth 49.8 WP (old circuit) 1.14.7 converted to new circuit works out to be about the 1.10 mark.
Current control tyres are about 2.5 seconds a lap faster than the A008rs's

2.6l & wide Jap 5speed (Don't let anyone tell you 2.6's are crap. We were making approx 185rwhp NA 15 years ago and that motor is about to be installed in the new car)

Rear end...........
Scorpion diff, with 4.2 or 4.6 gears if your using 15's. (JA starion LSD fits).The extra 4 inches of widths makes a huge difference to the car.
Koni's 3leaf ring springs and a panhard rod.

Front end.......
Late model Sigma control arms and GH sigma strut tubes.
konis and king springs 250-300lb for a small block, anywhere upto 400lbs for a big block.
Adjustable strut tops.

Brakes.......
Any of the various conversions around will work well
Scorpion master cylinder and rear brakes.

Other bits.........
13x7's
Torana radiator
Escort front spoiler
RX7 rear wing
Oil cooler
Motec

The factory type lancer flares will fit the galant and cover the tyre with the increased wheel track.

FYI..... The old GroupC Lb lancer sedan, in its last configuration, as a sports sedan used to weigh 910kg including driver with the same running gear above and light doors and glass.

My only advice with Mitsu's....... Don't try and reinvent the wheel, its all been done before.

Hope this helps with some idea's for you.

[Nath76LA]

2.6l & wide Jap 5speed (Don't let anyone tell you 2.6's are crap. We were making approx 185rwhp NA 15 years ago and that motor is about to be installed in the new car)

And we are dropping the 2.6 into?

[Rallyant]

what was the build on that motor? Cam specks?

[cheaterparts]

My old Ipra LA went along the lines
Front end.......
Late model Sigma control arms

dont try this for IPRA now control arms arn't free

just a thought

[BIG26L]

Nath........... LC coupe
Cheater......... I noticed that in the rules the other day. Although the cage doesn't comply to IPRA spec either, so it may get run as a sports sedan.
Rallyant......... Coltspeed and Ron will still sell you the cam for it. Its the same as in all his motors. And i'm not obliged to give the specs away, sorry.